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RoyalSins88 said:
As a returning player from nearly the start of the game I'm going to give a highly detailed value report with my logic applied to it.
all common is the starting point of value for any wolf in my possession.
it doesn't matter if it's got a legendary coat if it doesn't hit a minimum of 40R AC without it then I know that wolf is not going to give me good pups. There are a handful of wolves in my pack that don't meet my AC requirements and they are not breeders often for that reason. The likelihood of me getting bad pups is actually increased 10 fold by those odds. This has been proven to me countless times that the lower the AC the less likely the pups will be worth anything. With that in mind this is how I value wolves based on AC alone 0-30R AC - Kill 30-39R AC - worth 25 to 50 mush (more with defect/boost) 40-49R AC - this is the section worth keeping for breeding this is the baseline I start out with when I've rejoined the game. Prices should be 100-500 mush. Females are worth more. 50+ R AC - again these are in the keep for breeding section, they have a even better chance at giving good pups. Selling should be anywhere from 500-1500 mush if not more for females. what makes or breaks these prices is generation. If I can't see the wolves full generation on the first panel of it then the wolf is not worth my time to keep at all. 1-3G females are my keepers anything past 5G the price is cut by more than half it drops the worth that much to me. If it's inbred I don't mess with it at all and if I accidental inbreed my wolves I kill them. Now onto the boosts and defects any of the color changing boosts/ defects should cost more than 200 mush if not apples
the defects that do nothing and the boosts that don't benefit as much as SV, MB, DH, those ones are worth like an additional 15 mush on the total SV,MB,DH these increase the price a minimum of 100 mush but it should be more than that.
All positive vitals - 15-30 mush increase on price negative vitals - doesn't effect price unless all are negative if all are negative decreases price by 15 talents anything below 200 isnt worth keeping alive unless it's high rarity AC. 200-300 talents - 100-300 mush 300-400 talents - 300-500 mush 400+ T - 500 mush to apple prices BE trained pricing less than 100 BE - 25-50 mush increase anything above 100 BE - 100-2000 mush if not more, depending on age and total BE. Age 1-8 years old, in this age range priced at full value 9+ price should be reduced anywhere from 25-50% the older they get the lower the price ExH,ExW- price increase 100-500 mush i would like for others to do what I have done above because I'm pretty sure us older players think around the same as me. I would like to know the current logic behind pricing because I do not understand still. ^^
I haven't heard the term AC before, can you clarify? |
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Peach AC stand for All common so if you have a wolf with legendary eyes or pelt or nose or any that's not common, if you plug them into the custom maker and set those values to common that's how you get you baseline number for how high your all commons rarity is. So you could have a wolf that's 60+R but in reality it's all commons rarity is in the 20s if not lower and that means the pups unless they get special markings as well, will be in the 20 range which is instant death in my pack. |
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My guess is foot traffic on WP is not what it used to be. There are less people checking trading post, and the ones that do are typically newer players who likely have a smaller budget. For example, TWO 1k talent studs showed up in the middle of the explore recession, which means no giant explore packs to buy up the talented pups and use them, and because both studs output offspring you have a massive number of high talent wolves all of which are cheaper because there is less demand. This is greater for newer packs who want to explore however! General rule of thumb as to what people look for are AC high rarity (that are also nice looking), pelt defects, DH, SV and HH, as well as nice base stats like being HW or a hero. Low gen is a must for some packs, though newer players are less likely to care. I find if I really don't want a wolf to go for pennies, if I put it in a raffle it will get a better price, same as single apples. |
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Whenever I'm looking to buy wolves, it's usually for explore. I look for at least agreeable in disposition as it helps with my battle strategy (for instance, having all the wolves target the same elephant and follow that order. I also always have one wolf assigned to pursue instead of attack - if the battle opponents don't flee, that's more mush for me and worth having one less battle wolf. My pursuers are obedient only for max effect). I usually add CP so talents don't make much difference to me unless it's over 100. Good vitals are very important to me as it saves me CP on explore moves during weather event plus it adds a battle boost, so I usually look for +10 vital heroes at minimum. Weight doesn't matter to me personally since I care about agility as well as battle damage and don't care which bonus I get, but some players really like to look for heavy weight (HW) wolves. As for boosts, certain boosts are valued more than others, and I think others will agree with me on this. Divine health is the one I look for the most as having 150 health is much better than 100. Deadly silent is also very useful for me as it adds a stealth bonus, so my pack can come across more prey. Surpassing Valor is also very popular due to the dominance bonus (250 max instead of 200) but I don't care as much about it. Hell Hound and Gaelic Blood are also very popular due to the appearance changes and boosts, but I don't usually look for them because they are so rare/expensive.
Things like rarity and appearance are on a much lower priority, and I usually just make sure they aren't ugly. However, there are certain coats I really like, of course. I like dynamic coats, bonfire and reverse bonfire, fae, royal, dark and light botanic quartzite, quesar, granite, arctic marble and some other coats - I care more about appearance than rarity. Lastly, females are more valuable to me than males. I'm willing to pay around double for a female than what a male would be valued at, especially if it has a boost, a more rare coat, and/or 100+ talents. |
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it feels like people stopped caring all together about what gives the wolf its baseline value. The game started with only all common marks, that was the actual baseline for all the players who played back then. So for it to mean nothing now is like rubbing salt in a open wound to me. The highest rarity at the beginning of this game was 59R AC. Talents didn't exist. There were only a 2-3 color changing defects out when I had joined the first time. Like the hype of the Erys being added, how much it'd cost for a albino and mela. Those were the days. Is it unrealistic for me to want to bring that back? I feel like what happened is when they added those new markings and the talents it ran off some players including myself because it broke the economy then and it appears to have never recovered as I rejoined the game in 2020 and left for the same reason then because I could not get a foothold on what is happening in the wolfplay economy. This could be the autism raging against the change but honestly the new logic isn't computing. I can understand all the explore parts but not taking all common into consideration at all kills my brain. |
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I mean the rage thing in a sense of just my understanding failing me and not rage at the players themselves XD like am I just missing stuff that makes AC worthless in comparison to other things now? |
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Not reading above posts right now, but I personally love the following in a wolf. -
Heavyweight (130lbs-150lbs) -
Low Gen (G1-G4) [when plan on selling] -
All Positive Weather Vitals (+1 through +20 per vital) -
Divine Health, non-boosted or Hellhound -
All Common pelt-rarity stats. Anything other than common significantly reduces the value in my eyes. My favorite pelt is Natural 4 (common). -
Excellent Howler / Excellent Wrestler / Obedient Disposition (FMC Stats) When purchasing, I check the Gen first and cheapest options. I'd rather have an unrated wolf than a wolf rated for Poor FMC stats. I'd rather have a wolf with 0 vitals than any negative vitals. As for why your own wolves aren't selling, a lot of people are either training their own wolves or seeking other options that you may not provide. The economy is unstable, I think, too. |
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RoyalSins88, there definitely are others who still care about AC rarity. I see wolves labeled as such in the trading center all the time. Different people just have different playing styles and preferences. Personally I focus on explore and decorating wolves, so rarity doesn't matter as much to the gameplay mechanics for me. And color changing defects still have a lot of value if you find the right buyer - I sold an axanthic defect wolf once for several apples. I hope that comforts you a little. I also had no idea the game started out with only common! Using AC as a standard makes more sense to me now. It sounds like it's something that has been around for a long time. Honestly, I do care more about it now that I know more about it. |
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This is essentially the problem, I log in at various times on WP and see that the most recent trading post hasn't had activites in hours, sometimes 4+ hours. that wasn't always like this, auctions used to be busy and you were racing to get your wolf. more people offered different kind of wolves because peoples taste was more diverse. Im not saying its terrible now, we are getting more and more new players which is good. but they will need time to accumulate the amounf of many older players had but then left or are MIA. So i would put up more wolves that would interest them, like explore wolves. they are always needed and usually liked. Not for the prices they used to go for but still nice
And the inactivity isn't just in the sales are, looking at the social forums, also quite silent, heck even Art is being quiet. Chat tends to have the same 10 people who are regularly there...so yea a bit of a foot traffic recession is going on. it will pass soon im sure
Enigma said:
My guess is foot traffic on WP is not what it used to be. There are less people checking trading post, and the ones that do are typically newer players who likely have a smaller budget. For example, TWO 1k talent studs showed up in the middle of the explore recession, which means no giant explore packs to buy up the talented pups and use them, and because both studs output offspring you have a massive number of high talent wolves all of which are cheaper because there is less demand. This is greater for newer packs who want to explore however!
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