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 Kitties
05:43:51 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
Here's where y'all are getting confused. Generative AI creates new things, which is why we see hallucinations. Non generative AI doesn't create new things it only analyzes what it's given. That's why generative AI is bad, but non generative AI is almost essential.
 EvergreenHills
05:43:48 Juicy Arm Boy
Can we stop talking about ai :/
 Cloudy bird
05:43:23 
(soz, the website i am referring to is 'this-person-does-not-exist' website
 Cloudy bird
05:42:50 
Ah back in the days before generative AI images, I would use the random generators. Or the -Click- website, when I needed inspiration
 SouthernScorpion
05:41:19 Scorpion
Ai has also been researched and proven to stalemate your creativity. artists that use AI are mentally affect by AI, very badly whether they realize it or not, it has sadly been proven to kill creativity
 Cloudy bird
05:41:07 
tern
Yep, it also encourages "dual psychosis": when perosn solely uses AI for therapeutic reasons, eventually AI was known to encourage the person's delusions or feed into it. Not out of maliciousnes -> but cause it just reflects the feelings. ChatGPT is one of the notorious models to do this
 Kitties
05:40:32 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
@Eye of eternity
ChatGPT is generative, I don't like generative models as yes they do hallucinate. Other forms of AI don't though.
 Eye of Eternity
05:40:09 tern | they/he
owlstar
dont use it for that. ai for art is never acceptable. trust me, you can find good free linearts, poses, photographs, sketches, whatever you want to reference made by a real person
same for backgrounds- or just make them yourself
 SouthernScorpion
05:39:44 Scorpion
Oh! someone just gave me a apple gift <3 thank you unknown
 Kitties
05:39:43 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
Guys that's generative AI. There's
Non generative AIs that help us analyze things. It's easily researchable. AI is a broad term that encompasses Machine learning, Neural networks, Deep learning, and AI. I work with neural networks all the time for experiments on how things affect the brain while alive. As of right now the only way to do that is via neural networks which are copies of the human brain.
 SouthernScorpion
05:38:18 Scorpion
when i said medical field, i meant in actual medical work (it can be used carefully to detect early cancer) but should always be checked by a human. using AI for art or research is not only theft, it's bad for the environment and it's bad for the creative using it
 Cloudy bird
05:37:46 
(also to add AI is useful in recognising images of cancer in xrays or other such scans... however an alternative is trained pigeons and I like that alternative much more :3 )
 Eye of Eternity
05:37:30 tern | they/he
kit
it also hallucinates a lot. i believe 38%? of the newest chatgpt model's answers are entirely hallucinated
 Apothecary
05:37:27 Medicinally Autistic
Exactly, it pulls ALL statistics, even ones that aren't necessarily true or correct.
 Kitties
05:36:14 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
AI is used to analyze statistics in pretty much all areas of research. Pretty much all predictions we make and patterns we discover are assisted by AI. AI isn't just the stuff you find on the internet.
 Owlstar
05:36:10 tiger\Owl|she\her
For me ai is ok. I just like it for line art ideas and making pretty bgs on canva. I always edit the line arts because that’s just how I like it
 Eye of Eternity
05:35:55 tern | they/he
its not great in medical areas- i saw something that some hospital was using ai to determine what patients were able to have insurance or premium care or something and it ended up being racist and classist
 Apothecary
05:34:29 Medicinally Autistic
All ai is really bad, for the environment, for building the learning capabilities of the younger generations, and because it steals work, and can't always give an accurate representation to topics that should be researched instead of being provided an opinion on.
 SouthernScorpion
05:34:19 Scorpion
oops forgot my caps sorry
 SouthernScorpion
05:33:58 Scorpion
most Ai is bad. all generative AI is bad. AI is fundamentally bad for the environment with the DATA centers. AI ONLY belongs in the medical field, and on a short leash at that

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 Kitties
05:43:51 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
Here's where y'all are getting confused. Generative AI creates new things, which is why we see hallucinations. Non generative AI doesn't create new things it only analyzes what it's given. That's why generative AI is bad, but non generative AI is almost essential.
 EvergreenHills
05:43:48 Juicy Arm Boy
Can we stop talking about ai :/
 Cloudy bird
05:43:23 
(soz, the website i am referring to is 'this-person-does-not-exist' website
 Cloudy bird
05:42:50 
Ah back in the days before generative AI images, I would use the random generators. Or the -Click- website, when I needed inspiration
 SouthernScorpion
05:41:19 Scorpion
Ai has also been researched and proven to stalemate your creativity. artists that use AI are mentally affect by AI, very badly whether they realize it or not, it has sadly been proven to kill creativity
 Cloudy bird
05:41:07 
tern
Yep, it also encourages "dual psychosis": when perosn solely uses AI for therapeutic reasons, eventually AI was known to encourage the person's delusions or feed into it. Not out of maliciousnes -> but cause it just reflects the feelings. ChatGPT is one of the notorious models to do this
 Kitties
05:40:32 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
@Eye of eternity
ChatGPT is generative, I don't like generative models as yes they do hallucinate. Other forms of AI don't though.
 Eye of Eternity
05:40:09 tern | they/he
owlstar
dont use it for that. ai for art is never acceptable. trust me, you can find good free linearts, poses, photographs, sketches, whatever you want to reference made by a real person
same for backgrounds- or just make them yourself
 SouthernScorpion
05:39:44 Scorpion
Oh! someone just gave me a apple gift <3 thank you unknown
 Kitties
05:39:43 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
Guys that's generative AI. There's
Non generative AIs that help us analyze things. It's easily researchable. AI is a broad term that encompasses Machine learning, Neural networks, Deep learning, and AI. I work with neural networks all the time for experiments on how things affect the brain while alive. As of right now the only way to do that is via neural networks which are copies of the human brain.
 SouthernScorpion
05:38:18 Scorpion
when i said medical field, i meant in actual medical work (it can be used carefully to detect early cancer) but should always be checked by a human. using AI for art or research is not only theft, it's bad for the environment and it's bad for the creative using it
 Cloudy bird
05:37:46 
(also to add AI is useful in recognising images of cancer in xrays or other such scans... however an alternative is trained pigeons and I like that alternative much more :3 )
 Eye of Eternity
05:37:30 tern | they/he
kit
it also hallucinates a lot. i believe 38%? of the newest chatgpt model's answers are entirely hallucinated
 Apothecary
05:37:27 Medicinally Autistic
Exactly, it pulls ALL statistics, even ones that aren't necessarily true or correct.
 Kitties
05:36:14 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
AI is used to analyze statistics in pretty much all areas of research. Pretty much all predictions we make and patterns we discover are assisted by AI. AI isn't just the stuff you find on the internet.
 Owlstar
05:36:10 tiger\Owl|she\her
For me ai is ok. I just like it for line art ideas and making pretty bgs on canva. I always edit the line arts because that’s just how I like it
 Eye of Eternity
05:35:55 tern | they/he
its not great in medical areas- i saw something that some hospital was using ai to determine what patients were able to have insurance or premium care or something and it ended up being racist and classist
 Apothecary
05:34:29 Medicinally Autistic
All ai is really bad, for the environment, for building the learning capabilities of the younger generations, and because it steals work, and can't always give an accurate representation to topics that should be researched instead of being provided an opinion on.
 SouthernScorpion
05:34:19 Scorpion
oops forgot my caps sorry
 SouthernScorpion
05:33:58 Scorpion
most Ai is bad. all generative AI is bad. AI is fundamentally bad for the environment with the DATA centers. AI ONLY belongs in the medical field, and on a short leash at that




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