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 Eye of Eternity
11:16:44 tern | they/he
dear god she was 29 wp years old
 BuggyOs
11:13:57 Lucky Ladybug
Scorpion
oh that's kinda weird
 SouthernScorpion
11:12:51 Scorpion
oh i meant i clicked because I have 10 points to give to a newbie and none of thier wolves had any allowed cp
 BuggyOs
11:11:44 Lucky Ladybug
Scorpion
some people do it for certain attribute or certain wolves of theirs, so that if you wanna donate point to them you have to do it for a certain wolf/attribute, Many people keep dominance turned off so that it doesn't mess up pack happiness if someone donates on it
 Eye of Eternity
11:10:45 tern | they/he
mossy, imladris
thanks

lupins
yeah im trying to calculate how many wp years old one of my wolves is (she was stoned so the age it shows isnt accurate)
 SouthernScorpion
11:08:55 Scorpion
is there a reason for not allowing someone to give your wolves points?
 Lupins333
11:08:18 
@Imladris
Thanks, that's good to know.
 Imladris
11:07:21 
One year is 12 days yes. 3 days for each season
 Lupins333
11:06:05 
@Eye
Wasn't that yesterday?
 Vax
11:05:41 a rock in your shoe
cyclops
yuh
 Eye of Eternity
11:04:36 tern | they/he
how many days is a full wp year? 12, right?
 STS
11:03:26 TS, Speckles
Lupins. Yeah, its just odd

Scorpion. I didnt know that, thank you
 SouthernScorpion
11:02:43 Scorpion
when they're on the oldest wolves leaderboard i think they have less of a chance of dying
 Lupins333
11:02:36 
@STS
He is also 5th among the oldest wolves! He is really cool.
 STS
11:01:29 TS, Speckles
Lupins.
-WP Click-
 Lupins333
11:00:48 
That is really old!
 STS
11:00:17 TS, Speckles
Lupins. Yeah, I have lost an 15, 16 and 18 year old today, and he is 24
 Lupins333
10:59:14 
That is strange.
 STS
10:58:44 TS, Speckles
Lupins. Nothing just one of my wolves is still alive even though i have lost wolves younger than him for some reason
 Lupins333
10:57:35 
@STS
how? What happened?

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 Eye of Eternity
11:16:44 tern | they/he
dear god she was 29 wp years old
 BuggyOs
11:13:57 Lucky Ladybug
Scorpion
oh that's kinda weird
 SouthernScorpion
11:12:51 Scorpion
oh i meant i clicked because I have 10 points to give to a newbie and none of thier wolves had any allowed cp
 BuggyOs
11:11:44 Lucky Ladybug
Scorpion
some people do it for certain attribute or certain wolves of theirs, so that if you wanna donate point to them you have to do it for a certain wolf/attribute, Many people keep dominance turned off so that it doesn't mess up pack happiness if someone donates on it
 Eye of Eternity
11:10:45 tern | they/he
mossy, imladris
thanks

lupins
yeah im trying to calculate how many wp years old one of my wolves is (she was stoned so the age it shows isnt accurate)
 SouthernScorpion
11:08:55 Scorpion
is there a reason for not allowing someone to give your wolves points?
 Lupins333
11:08:18 
@Imladris
Thanks, that's good to know.
 Imladris
11:07:21 
One year is 12 days yes. 3 days for each season
 Lupins333
11:06:05 
@Eye
Wasn't that yesterday?
 Vax
11:05:41 a rock in your shoe
cyclops
yuh
 Eye of Eternity
11:04:36 tern | they/he
how many days is a full wp year? 12, right?
 STS
11:03:26 TS, Speckles
Lupins. Yeah, its just odd

Scorpion. I didnt know that, thank you
 SouthernScorpion
11:02:43 Scorpion
when they're on the oldest wolves leaderboard i think they have less of a chance of dying
 Lupins333
11:02:36 
@STS
He is also 5th among the oldest wolves! He is really cool.
 STS
11:01:29 TS, Speckles
Lupins.
-WP Click-
 Lupins333
11:00:48 
That is really old!
 STS
11:00:17 TS, Speckles
Lupins. Yeah, I have lost an 15, 16 and 18 year old today, and he is 24
 Lupins333
10:59:14 
That is strange.
 STS
10:58:44 TS, Speckles
Lupins. Nothing just one of my wolves is still alive even though i have lost wolves younger than him for some reason
 Lupins333
10:57:35 
@STS
how? What happened?




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PvP ConfusionApril 8, 2024 02:15 PM


Ecifircas

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Genuinely, how does PvP work? What makes a wolf a winner or not?

Who takes turns first and does this affect the outcome?

Wolves with less than 1/4 of the BE of mine are consistently winning PvPs and it's left me stumped.

For example, Nesta's 30 BE 124 pound wolf beat my 149 pound 300 BE wolf, how does that work?

If you are a premium pack with a battle specialization, do those extra moves apply in PvP?

When a move (like Death Grip) says (Off +30), does it mean that move does 30 damage?

Do all moves do the same amount of damage after a certain point?
PvP ConfusionApril 8, 2024 02:22 PM


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I think CP has a big part in if a wolf wins or not, BE isn't as big of a part of it as you'd think from my experience
The person who accepts a battle request goes second and the person who put out the battle request almost always wins so I think it affects a lot
PvP ConfusionApril 8, 2024 02:23 PM


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Same as Salem ^^ Guess why it's always me who put them up 😀

Edited at April 8, 2024 02:28 PM by Leo's
PvP ConfusionApril 8, 2024 02:32 PM


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@Salem, I would have accepted that if my wolves had been the ones with less CP but in almost all instances, my wolves had maxed Battle, Agility, Stealth, and Resolve and theirs did not.

Is it just the most CP overall? That wouldn't make much sense but I figure it's worth asking.
PvP ConfusionApril 8, 2024 02:35 PM


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I haven't PvP'd in a long time but that's what I assume 'cause I maxed out all the battle stats and still lost and the only real difference was overall CP count
PvP ConfusionApril 8, 2024 02:45 PM


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Well, I really appreciate your help.

What if the wolves are both maxed out? What does it come down to then? I would appreciate more people's opinions / anecdotal evidence if possible.
PvP ConfusionApril 8, 2024 02:48 PM


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Ecifircas said:
Well, I really appreciate your help.

What if the wolves are both maxed out? What does it come down to then? I would appreciate more people's opinions / anecdotal evidence if possible.


If both are maxed in weight, CP and BE it's the first move that is the essential :3
PvP ConfusionApril 8, 2024 02:53 PM


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No, not weight. I meant if they are both maxed in CP, what then?
PvP ConfusionApril 8, 2024 02:55 PM


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Ecifircas said:
No, not weight. I meant if they are both maxed in CP, what then?


BE?
PvP ConfusionApril 9, 2024 05:21 PM


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Hello, as someone with, ahem, lots of PvP experience, here is my take. Prepare for an essay. Please note probably not all of this is exactly factual, but more so how I've come to understand PvP after thousands of battles.
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PvP is mostly based on RNG (luck, basically). Typically, whoever puts the battle request up will have the starting advantage because they get to go first. However, that doesn't always mean they will land the first attack. This means that if you put the request up and your wolf misses the first attack, the other player now has the advantage.

I've been in plenty of PvP battles in which my DG DH wolf was up against a non-boosted wolf with significantly less BE and I've still lost due to poor RNG. This alone is why some people do not like PvP. And I'll admit, it's very frustrating to lose a match that is very heavily favored for you to win.

Aside from the RNG, CP plays a vastly more important role in determining the outcome of the battle than BE does. If you have a wolf with 0 BE vs a 925+ BE wolf, but they have the same amount of CP, the difference between the hits will only be 4 damage. So for example, a 0 BE wolf with full battle will hit for 23, while a wolf with full battle and at least 525 BE will hit for 27. I don't believe weight or vitals make any kind of significant difference in PvP battles.

One must also take into account the slight advantages the different factions will have during certain times of the day, and also if the wolves in the battle are boosted or not, etc.
Obviously, you have the unfair advantage of a DH vs a non-DH, but like I mentioned earlier these are not always an automatic win for the DH side. But then you also have Crushing Strength which I believe has a slightly higher chance of hitting criticals which deal (I think) 10 more damage than a normal hit. And then Elite Speed, which has the chance to hit twice in one turn. Or Nimble Foot wolves who are more likely to avoid your attacks as they have higher agility.

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