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Game Poll: Dire WolvesApril 15, 2025 03:46 PM


CriesInTheNight

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Im not a fan of this evolution in science
Humans shouldn't 'bring back' species even if in some cases there extinction was due to humanity. I find this a worrisome find, because of the many already suffering ecosystems in Nature. Whats going to happen if we inteoduce species for which there is no real place for them?
Game Poll: Dire WolvesApril 15, 2025 05:53 PM


FallenEclipseClan

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I think they are as close as a dire wolf we could get, but if we tryna bring back extinct animals next thing you know we are going to try to bring back dinosaurs, we are so cooked in my opinion. 😭🙏
Game Poll: Dire WolvesApril 15, 2025 06:33 PM


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I have not heard of this but it's definitely not a real dire wolf. I doubt that would even be truly possible to recreate something that's been extinct so long
Game Poll: Dire WolvesApril 15, 2025 07:58 PM


Ecifircas

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I think they're sorta nifty! Like biiiig huskies. I wonder how their temperaments are compared to regular wolves.

Edited at April 15, 2025 07:59 PM by Ecifircas
Game Poll: Dire WolvesApril 16, 2025 06:10 PM


Winterbeast

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Agreeing with my fellow science biology/ecology/conservation peeps.
The mindset that humans can just 'undo' our mistakes, such as 'de-extinct' species, is more harmful to conservation efforts than good. It can lead to a dangerous thought process where we don't get the funding we need to protect what we still have for now, because 'Hey! We can always bring it back if needed'.
Game Poll: Dire WolvesApril 18, 2025 05:21 AM


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I have been following programs for genetic cloning, editing, and natural breeding practices for years.
I have... Very mixed feelings. The optimist in me is singing with glorious hope because this technique has the potential to genuinely help preserve and save current threatened species who have extremely low generic diversity.
And... It has a lot of potential to cause terrible harm, both via companies possibly being allowed to put patents on wildlife dna and frankly dna at all-- they've already made a terrible mess of the plant side of things
Monsanto? Big seed and pesticide company? That have literally been one of if not the main source of healthy farming practices in America falling apart as unsustainable.... Not because the practice itself was bad, but because when guys in suits show up with threats of expensive lawsuits with their fancy briefcases, to harass a farmer who collected their own seed from their crops to simply plant again next year... Because "we now own your seeds because the field nearby from another farmer's planting pollinated your crops (something you can't really hecking control in outdoor big grows and sometimes even tiny plots!) so you either owe us money or you have to destroy All Your Harvested Seeds"
I'm not joking.
There is also the concern over if these scientists working with the animals in question-- do they have the true empathy and actually analytical observational skills to educate a different species than Homo Sapien on how to be themselves? Bringing back the genetics even if these puppies were from direct ancient DNA cloning, does not... Bring the culture of the species back.
People like to think that mysterious Instinct guides animals and teaches them everything. It doesn't. It helps them not die. Instinct does not teach them their own species language-- and i do mean language --nor how to behave in the larger ecosystem.
I forget where this happened, but i read an article some time back on an elephant preservation project I'm which they relocated several juvenile elephants, but decided mid project not to move the giant extra heavy adult bill elephants because of the material cost of a harness and rig heavy duty enough to handle their bulk and weight.
The result?
Absolute carnage. from the young elephants without parents to teach them not to just gore all the wildlife they come across. People were finding lions and other animals just. Pointlessly murdered and savaged --
-- they moved a few of the adult elephants and within a short frame of time (can't recall if it was weeks or a few months) the carnage stopped, because the adults promptly taught the kids to knock that crap out and here's how to be an elephant as part of the ecosystem sustainably.
How can we assume we won't see similar issues with species brought back without any of their direct ancestors to teach them?
Moreover.... There's also to consider, how much pain and death is caused in both surrogate mothers and in the Failed Offspring of generic editing or cloning attempts. I still remember the hard data reports from cloning projects years ago, and a while lot of failed pregnancies and unpleasant puppy fates for the ones who didn't come out As Intended.
So... I have very mixed feelings. I'm choosing to be optimistic, but it's really hard when you already have really Stupid People who are now claiming we can get rid of the Endangered Species list and all is associated protections by using this Direwolf project as an example to go "wow look! We can undo our mistakes! So we can keep making them exactly as before it's no big deal anymore we can just bring whoever we want back "
It is never that simple, it will never be that simple, and i wish more people would realize that other species aren't just pretty ornaments or walking meat bags without emotion or thought. They're as complicated as we are.
All that said, yeah, i still cried like a baby hearing those tiny howls. It's a pretty dang huge event in conservation and in science, even with the dangers associated. Maybe this project will at last get more public interest from everyday people who normally don't ever give a second thought to the complexities of ecosystems and other species lives
People are predictable. Next to no one wants to talk about the prairie chicken or hog nosed snake or any number of tiny fish under threat of extinction from lost habitat and poor land management practices. But most people are charmed by a more familiar "cute puppy" and willing to follow *that* conservation project, which could introduce them to the larger topic as a whole.

Edited at April 18, 2025 05:33 AM by Cybertronion
Game Poll: Dire WolvesApril 18, 2025 08:42 AM


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Ivy Thicket said:
I feel that any extinct animal from 200+ years before this should not be brought back from the dead, because they died for a good reason. If an animal were essential to an ecosystem, then sure, bring it back, but if it died 10,000 years ago, it doesn't need to be brought back. It's just a waste of money.

OrchidNectar said:
They took a gray wolf, changed 20 genes. If you took a person and changed 20 genes it would still be a person. Cool technology but we don't even have a niche anymore for a real dire wolf anywhere in the world so I'm glad it's just a big white gray wolf.

I first heard of people trying to bring back extinct animals when they started talking about de-extincting the black rhinos by things like in vitro fertillization, or IVF. Now I not only do I not hear anyyhing about it anymore, but with planing to "de-extinct" animals, like the direwolves, that died out 10,000+ years ago by editing other animals. I feel like nobody learned anything from Jurrasic Park (or any movie like it.)

Game Poll: Dire WolvesApril 18, 2025 09:19 AM


Aurora Skys

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Personally, i havent even heard of these new "direwolves" cause i dont watch the news much, but just searched it up, and its pretty cool!
Game Poll: Dire WolvesApril 18, 2025 09:30 AM


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This is the first I heard of a idea of bringing back extinct creatures. If they want the dire wolves back then just try bring the smilodon. Though I am relieved that the wolves uh new? old? are not dire wolves.

Just leave nature alone. Leave the past and history alone. We don't need new wolves or new tigers or former extict creatures. We already have beautiful creatures.

There could be efforts to focus on the endangered animals instead of making new ones which have unknown behaviour, temperment and could easily back fire.

Either way while I'm sure the "new wolves" are amazing however I think it is a foolish idea they did.

Edited at April 18, 2025 10:18 AM by Feiella

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