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 Kitties
05:40:32 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
@Eye of eternity
ChatGPT is generative, I don't like generative models as yes they do hallucinate. Other forms of AI don't though.
 Eye of Eternity
05:40:09 tern | they/he
owlstar
dont use it for that. ai for art is never acceptable. trust me, you can find good free linearts, poses, photographs, sketches, whatever you want to reference made by a real person
same for backgrounds- or just make them yourself
 SouthernScorpion
05:39:44 Scorpion
Oh! someone just gave me a apple gift <3 thank you unknown
 Kitties
05:39:43 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
Guys that's generative AI. There's
Non generative AIs that help us analyze things. It's easily researchable. AI is a broad term that encompasses Machine learning, Neural networks, Deep learning, and AI. I work with neural networks all the time for experiments on how things affect the brain while alive. As of right now the only way to do that is via neural networks which are copies of the human brain.
 SouthernScorpion
05:38:18 Scorpion
when i said medical field, i meant in actual medical work (it can be used carefully to detect early cancer) but should always be checked by a human. using AI for art or research is not only theft, it's bad for the environment and it's bad for the creative using it
 Cloudy bird
05:37:46 
(also to add AI is useful in recognising images of cancer in xrays or other such scans... however an alternative is trained pigeons and I like that alternative much more :3 )
 Eye of Eternity
05:37:30 tern | they/he
kit
it also hallucinates a lot. i believe 38%? of the newest chatgpt model's answers are entirely hallucinated
 Apothecary
05:37:27 Medicinally Autistic
Exactly, it pulls ALL statistics, even ones that aren't necessarily true or correct.
 Kitties
05:36:14 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
AI is used to analyze statistics in pretty much all areas of research. Pretty much all predictions we make and patterns we discover are assisted by AI. AI isn't just the stuff you find on the internet.
 Owlstar
05:36:10 tiger\Owl|she\her
For me ai is ok. I just like it for line art ideas and making pretty bgs on canva. I always edit the line arts because that’s just how I like it
 Eye of Eternity
05:35:55 tern | they/he
its not great in medical areas- i saw something that some hospital was using ai to determine what patients were able to have insurance or premium care or something and it ended up being racist and classist
 Apothecary
05:34:29 Medicinally Autistic
All ai is really bad, for the environment, for building the learning capabilities of the younger generations, and because it steals work, and can't always give an accurate representation to topics that should be researched instead of being provided an opinion on.
 SouthernScorpion
05:34:19 Scorpion
oops forgot my caps sorry
 SouthernScorpion
05:33:58 Scorpion
most Ai is bad. all generative AI is bad. AI is fundamentally bad for the environment with the DATA centers. AI ONLY belongs in the medical field, and on a short leash at that
 Kitties
05:32:21 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
I'm not trying to be rude or anything but not all AI is bad. Generative AI is def worse than the rest though ^^
 SouthernScorpion
05:30:30 Scorpion
ah, thats amazing
 EvergreenHills
05:26:30 Juicy Arm Boy
Scorpion
Sora AI :/
 Eye of Eternity
05:26:21 tern | they/he
petri
i had no idea what to expect from that but i feel as though i have been blessed

yeah they are thank goodness

scorpion
an ai company
 EvergreenHills
05:26:10 Juicy Arm Boy
Anthony
Ayy that’s nice X3 i love starting new crafts haha.
Yeah- I suck at them right now LMAO

flying
I have never seen that in my life
Also I laughed so hard/loud. I swear all of Europe could hear it.
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05:25:53 Petri Dish/ENA Mum
Gotta poof to eat real quick. Be back later!

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 Kitties
05:40:32 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
@Eye of eternity
ChatGPT is generative, I don't like generative models as yes they do hallucinate. Other forms of AI don't though.
 Eye of Eternity
05:40:09 tern | they/he
owlstar
dont use it for that. ai for art is never acceptable. trust me, you can find good free linearts, poses, photographs, sketches, whatever you want to reference made by a real person
same for backgrounds- or just make them yourself
 SouthernScorpion
05:39:44 Scorpion
Oh! someone just gave me a apple gift <3 thank you unknown
 Kitties
05:39:43 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
Guys that's generative AI. There's
Non generative AIs that help us analyze things. It's easily researchable. AI is a broad term that encompasses Machine learning, Neural networks, Deep learning, and AI. I work with neural networks all the time for experiments on how things affect the brain while alive. As of right now the only way to do that is via neural networks which are copies of the human brain.
 SouthernScorpion
05:38:18 Scorpion
when i said medical field, i meant in actual medical work (it can be used carefully to detect early cancer) but should always be checked by a human. using AI for art or research is not only theft, it's bad for the environment and it's bad for the creative using it
 Cloudy bird
05:37:46 
(also to add AI is useful in recognising images of cancer in xrays or other such scans... however an alternative is trained pigeons and I like that alternative much more :3 )
 Eye of Eternity
05:37:30 tern | they/he
kit
it also hallucinates a lot. i believe 38%? of the newest chatgpt model's answers are entirely hallucinated
 Apothecary
05:37:27 Medicinally Autistic
Exactly, it pulls ALL statistics, even ones that aren't necessarily true or correct.
 Kitties
05:36:14 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
AI is used to analyze statistics in pretty much all areas of research. Pretty much all predictions we make and patterns we discover are assisted by AI. AI isn't just the stuff you find on the internet.
 Owlstar
05:36:10 tiger\Owl|she\her
For me ai is ok. I just like it for line art ideas and making pretty bgs on canva. I always edit the line arts because that’s just how I like it
 Eye of Eternity
05:35:55 tern | they/he
its not great in medical areas- i saw something that some hospital was using ai to determine what patients were able to have insurance or premium care or something and it ended up being racist and classist
 Apothecary
05:34:29 Medicinally Autistic
All ai is really bad, for the environment, for building the learning capabilities of the younger generations, and because it steals work, and can't always give an accurate representation to topics that should be researched instead of being provided an opinion on.
 SouthernScorpion
05:34:19 Scorpion
oops forgot my caps sorry
 SouthernScorpion
05:33:58 Scorpion
most Ai is bad. all generative AI is bad. AI is fundamentally bad for the environment with the DATA centers. AI ONLY belongs in the medical field, and on a short leash at that
 Kitties
05:32:21 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
I'm not trying to be rude or anything but not all AI is bad. Generative AI is def worse than the rest though ^^
 SouthernScorpion
05:30:30 Scorpion
ah, thats amazing
 EvergreenHills
05:26:30 Juicy Arm Boy
Scorpion
Sora AI :/
 Eye of Eternity
05:26:21 tern | they/he
petri
i had no idea what to expect from that but i feel as though i have been blessed

yeah they are thank goodness

scorpion
an ai company
 EvergreenHills
05:26:10 Juicy Arm Boy
Anthony
Ayy that’s nice X3 i love starting new crafts haha.
Yeah- I suck at them right now LMAO

flying
I have never seen that in my life
Also I laughed so hard/loud. I swear all of Europe could hear it.
 TheFlyingKitten
05:25:53 Petri Dish/ENA Mum
Gotta poof to eat real quick. Be back later!




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PvP ConfusionApril 8, 2024 02:15 PM


Ecifircas

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Genuinely, how does PvP work? What makes a wolf a winner or not?

Who takes turns first and does this affect the outcome?

Wolves with less than 1/4 of the BE of mine are consistently winning PvPs and it's left me stumped.

For example, Nesta's 30 BE 124 pound wolf beat my 149 pound 300 BE wolf, how does that work?

If you are a premium pack with a battle specialization, do those extra moves apply in PvP?

When a move (like Death Grip) says (Off +30), does it mean that move does 30 damage?

Do all moves do the same amount of damage after a certain point?
PvP ConfusionApril 8, 2024 02:22 PM


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I think CP has a big part in if a wolf wins or not, BE isn't as big of a part of it as you'd think from my experience
The person who accepts a battle request goes second and the person who put out the battle request almost always wins so I think it affects a lot
PvP ConfusionApril 8, 2024 02:23 PM


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Same as Salem ^^ Guess why it's always me who put them up 😀

Edited at April 8, 2024 02:28 PM by Leo's
PvP ConfusionApril 8, 2024 02:32 PM


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@Salem, I would have accepted that if my wolves had been the ones with less CP but in almost all instances, my wolves had maxed Battle, Agility, Stealth, and Resolve and theirs did not.

Is it just the most CP overall? That wouldn't make much sense but I figure it's worth asking.
PvP ConfusionApril 8, 2024 02:35 PM


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I haven't PvP'd in a long time but that's what I assume 'cause I maxed out all the battle stats and still lost and the only real difference was overall CP count
PvP ConfusionApril 8, 2024 02:45 PM


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Well, I really appreciate your help.

What if the wolves are both maxed out? What does it come down to then? I would appreciate more people's opinions / anecdotal evidence if possible.
PvP ConfusionApril 8, 2024 02:48 PM


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Ecifircas said:
Well, I really appreciate your help.

What if the wolves are both maxed out? What does it come down to then? I would appreciate more people's opinions / anecdotal evidence if possible.


If both are maxed in weight, CP and BE it's the first move that is the essential :3
PvP ConfusionApril 8, 2024 02:53 PM


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No, not weight. I meant if they are both maxed in CP, what then?
PvP ConfusionApril 8, 2024 02:55 PM


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Ecifircas said:
No, not weight. I meant if they are both maxed in CP, what then?


BE?
PvP ConfusionApril 9, 2024 05:21 PM


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Hello, as someone with, ahem, lots of PvP experience, here is my take. Prepare for an essay. Please note probably not all of this is exactly factual, but more so how I've come to understand PvP after thousands of battles.
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PvP is mostly based on RNG (luck, basically). Typically, whoever puts the battle request up will have the starting advantage because they get to go first. However, that doesn't always mean they will land the first attack. This means that if you put the request up and your wolf misses the first attack, the other player now has the advantage.

I've been in plenty of PvP battles in which my DG DH wolf was up against a non-boosted wolf with significantly less BE and I've still lost due to poor RNG. This alone is why some people do not like PvP. And I'll admit, it's very frustrating to lose a match that is very heavily favored for you to win.

Aside from the RNG, CP plays a vastly more important role in determining the outcome of the battle than BE does. If you have a wolf with 0 BE vs a 925+ BE wolf, but they have the same amount of CP, the difference between the hits will only be 4 damage. So for example, a 0 BE wolf with full battle will hit for 23, while a wolf with full battle and at least 525 BE will hit for 27. I don't believe weight or vitals make any kind of significant difference in PvP battles.

One must also take into account the slight advantages the different factions will have during certain times of the day, and also if the wolves in the battle are boosted or not, etc.
Obviously, you have the unfair advantage of a DH vs a non-DH, but like I mentioned earlier these are not always an automatic win for the DH side. But then you also have Crushing Strength which I believe has a slightly higher chance of hitting criticals which deal (I think) 10 more damage than a normal hit. And then Elite Speed, which has the chance to hit twice in one turn. Or Nimble Foot wolves who are more likely to avoid your attacks as they have higher agility.

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