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 Cloudy bird
05:43:23 
(soz, the website i am referring to is 'this-person-does-not-exist' website
 Cloudy bird
05:42:50 
Ah back in the days before generative AI images, I would use the random generators. Or the -Click- website, when I needed inspiration
 SouthernScorpion
05:41:19 Scorpion
Ai has also been researched and proven to stalemate your creativity. artists that use AI are mentally affect by AI, very badly whether they realize it or not, it has sadly been proven to kill creativity
 Cloudy bird
05:41:07 
tern
Yep, it also encourages "dual psychosis": when perosn solely uses AI for therapeutic reasons, eventually AI was known to encourage the person's delusions or feed into it. Not out of maliciousnes -> but cause it just reflects the feelings. ChatGPT is one of the notorious models to do this
 Kitties
05:40:32 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
@Eye of eternity
ChatGPT is generative, I don't like generative models as yes they do hallucinate. Other forms of AI don't though.
 Eye of Eternity
05:40:09 tern | they/he
owlstar
dont use it for that. ai for art is never acceptable. trust me, you can find good free linearts, poses, photographs, sketches, whatever you want to reference made by a real person
same for backgrounds- or just make them yourself
 SouthernScorpion
05:39:44 Scorpion
Oh! someone just gave me a apple gift <3 thank you unknown
 Kitties
05:39:43 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
Guys that's generative AI. There's
Non generative AIs that help us analyze things. It's easily researchable. AI is a broad term that encompasses Machine learning, Neural networks, Deep learning, and AI. I work with neural networks all the time for experiments on how things affect the brain while alive. As of right now the only way to do that is via neural networks which are copies of the human brain.
 SouthernScorpion
05:38:18 Scorpion
when i said medical field, i meant in actual medical work (it can be used carefully to detect early cancer) but should always be checked by a human. using AI for art or research is not only theft, it's bad for the environment and it's bad for the creative using it
 Cloudy bird
05:37:46 
(also to add AI is useful in recognising images of cancer in xrays or other such scans... however an alternative is trained pigeons and I like that alternative much more :3 )
 Eye of Eternity
05:37:30 tern | they/he
kit
it also hallucinates a lot. i believe 38%? of the newest chatgpt model's answers are entirely hallucinated
 Apothecary
05:37:27 Medicinally Autistic
Exactly, it pulls ALL statistics, even ones that aren't necessarily true or correct.
 Kitties
05:36:14 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
AI is used to analyze statistics in pretty much all areas of research. Pretty much all predictions we make and patterns we discover are assisted by AI. AI isn't just the stuff you find on the internet.
 Owlstar
05:36:10 tiger\Owl|she\her
For me ai is ok. I just like it for line art ideas and making pretty bgs on canva. I always edit the line arts because that’s just how I like it
 Eye of Eternity
05:35:55 tern | they/he
its not great in medical areas- i saw something that some hospital was using ai to determine what patients were able to have insurance or premium care or something and it ended up being racist and classist
 Apothecary
05:34:29 Medicinally Autistic
All ai is really bad, for the environment, for building the learning capabilities of the younger generations, and because it steals work, and can't always give an accurate representation to topics that should be researched instead of being provided an opinion on.
 SouthernScorpion
05:34:19 Scorpion
oops forgot my caps sorry
 SouthernScorpion
05:33:58 Scorpion
most Ai is bad. all generative AI is bad. AI is fundamentally bad for the environment with the DATA centers. AI ONLY belongs in the medical field, and on a short leash at that
 Kitties
05:32:21 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
I'm not trying to be rude or anything but not all AI is bad. Generative AI is def worse than the rest though ^^
 SouthernScorpion
05:30:30 Scorpion
ah, thats amazing

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 Cloudy bird
05:43:23 
(soz, the website i am referring to is 'this-person-does-not-exist' website
 Cloudy bird
05:42:50 
Ah back in the days before generative AI images, I would use the random generators. Or the -Click- website, when I needed inspiration
 SouthernScorpion
05:41:19 Scorpion
Ai has also been researched and proven to stalemate your creativity. artists that use AI are mentally affect by AI, very badly whether they realize it or not, it has sadly been proven to kill creativity
 Cloudy bird
05:41:07 
tern
Yep, it also encourages "dual psychosis": when perosn solely uses AI for therapeutic reasons, eventually AI was known to encourage the person's delusions or feed into it. Not out of maliciousnes -> but cause it just reflects the feelings. ChatGPT is one of the notorious models to do this
 Kitties
05:40:32 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
@Eye of eternity
ChatGPT is generative, I don't like generative models as yes they do hallucinate. Other forms of AI don't though.
 Eye of Eternity
05:40:09 tern | they/he
owlstar
dont use it for that. ai for art is never acceptable. trust me, you can find good free linearts, poses, photographs, sketches, whatever you want to reference made by a real person
same for backgrounds- or just make them yourself
 SouthernScorpion
05:39:44 Scorpion
Oh! someone just gave me a apple gift <3 thank you unknown
 Kitties
05:39:43 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
Guys that's generative AI. There's
Non generative AIs that help us analyze things. It's easily researchable. AI is a broad term that encompasses Machine learning, Neural networks, Deep learning, and AI. I work with neural networks all the time for experiments on how things affect the brain while alive. As of right now the only way to do that is via neural networks which are copies of the human brain.
 SouthernScorpion
05:38:18 Scorpion
when i said medical field, i meant in actual medical work (it can be used carefully to detect early cancer) but should always be checked by a human. using AI for art or research is not only theft, it's bad for the environment and it's bad for the creative using it
 Cloudy bird
05:37:46 
(also to add AI is useful in recognising images of cancer in xrays or other such scans... however an alternative is trained pigeons and I like that alternative much more :3 )
 Eye of Eternity
05:37:30 tern | they/he
kit
it also hallucinates a lot. i believe 38%? of the newest chatgpt model's answers are entirely hallucinated
 Apothecary
05:37:27 Medicinally Autistic
Exactly, it pulls ALL statistics, even ones that aren't necessarily true or correct.
 Kitties
05:36:14 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
AI is used to analyze statistics in pretty much all areas of research. Pretty much all predictions we make and patterns we discover are assisted by AI. AI isn't just the stuff you find on the internet.
 Owlstar
05:36:10 tiger\Owl|she\her
For me ai is ok. I just like it for line art ideas and making pretty bgs on canva. I always edit the line arts because that’s just how I like it
 Eye of Eternity
05:35:55 tern | they/he
its not great in medical areas- i saw something that some hospital was using ai to determine what patients were able to have insurance or premium care or something and it ended up being racist and classist
 Apothecary
05:34:29 Medicinally Autistic
All ai is really bad, for the environment, for building the learning capabilities of the younger generations, and because it steals work, and can't always give an accurate representation to topics that should be researched instead of being provided an opinion on.
 SouthernScorpion
05:34:19 Scorpion
oops forgot my caps sorry
 SouthernScorpion
05:33:58 Scorpion
most Ai is bad. all generative AI is bad. AI is fundamentally bad for the environment with the DATA centers. AI ONLY belongs in the medical field, and on a short leash at that
 Kitties
05:32:21 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
I'm not trying to be rude or anything but not all AI is bad. Generative AI is def worse than the rest though ^^
 SouthernScorpion
05:30:30 Scorpion
ah, thats amazing




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The Problem With Paradise | DiscussionApril 8, 2024 03:55 PM


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don't post here unless you're in the RP blablablabla. i don't really care if you've been accepted yet because everyone who's reserved a spot Thus Far is all pretty reliable, so you can post as long as you've at least claimed a spot
Feel free to scheme and plot away for character interactions and the like!! Also worldbuild, I left it kinda barebones so maybe we can all build upon it.
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The Problem With Paradise | DiscussionApril 8, 2024 04:01 PM


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Hahahahaha

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Edited at April 8, 2024 06:46 PM by Sir Froggington
The Problem With Paradise | DiscussionApril 8, 2024 04:28 PM


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list of worldbuilding ideas i have right now (mostly in response to questions)
-I'm thinking maybe there's two 'species' of mermaids. The distinction is in the tail strokes; one species moves with horizontal strokes (like fish) and the other with vertical strokes (like mammals). Horizontal strokes are more common I'd imagine.
-I also noticed that everyone's mermaid art seems to have a slightly differing idea of what features mermaids have (such as fin ears and colored sclera), so perhaps there's a few vestigal traits from when mermaids were more fish-like that certain regions + families hold onto? also, i feel like there's a word for this, but there's a genetic thing where a creature can be born with extinct traits randomly reappearing after centuries of not occuring, ex. whitetails with fangs and birds with small teeth. so perhaps these could also be 'evolutionary throwback' traits.
-on that note, Space Man gave me the idea that the mers are so human-like because they evolved that way to prey mainly on humans. However, because humans have become so technologically advanced, they've now switched focus on what they eat and prefer to avoid humans now. so maybe vestigal traits from when they were more fish-like are now coming back and serving a real purpose again. like they're devolving
-when it comes to tail species, it could be a trait that varies in the same way hair and eye color do, and the resemblances to fish species is mere coincidence shaped by their environment and genetics. i don't know about this though
-i was thinking about what their currency would be, and i think maybe seashells and sea glass could work? the only issue i have with that is sea glass comes from humans and isn't a reliable source, and seashells are Everywhere. perhaps the only seashells that count as currency are ones that have been painted with a specific hard to reproduce paint. and maybe seaglass works as currency because it's just valuable as it is.
-for clothing, i think mers usually go for plants they weave together and nets they can scavenge or create themselves. maybe leather from water mammals too, such as seals and dolphins and the like, though the leather making process can be a bit difficult since they need a good beach to work on. Human clothing is usually automatically viewed as a more higher class thing since it's such a rarity for it to drift down to their level.
-they do utilize dolphins as pets, mostly for disabled mermaids who's tails may have been wounded by boats or other sea life. dolphins are like their service dogs since they are so intelligent.
-going back to the Mermaid Sewed Together Biology. i don't really know how they breathe 💔 the noses could be a false thing that was only evolved to bear more resemblance to humans and they really have gills, or maybe they have to surface every few hours for air.
-that's all i got right now, i may add to this later
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EDIT more ideas I had that I forgot
-I was looking at sea parasites, and there's a type of barnacle that targets a very specific species of crab. anyways this gave me the idea that barnacles could be some sort of parasite disease they can get. to make the ocean feel a lil more scary for them.
-since they live underwater and have human level intelligence, I don't think they would solely depend on human ruins sinking below the sea to inhabit. i think they try to guide coral into specific shapes, scavenge materials from whale bones, and use volcanic rock from underwater volcanoes as their most common building materials. also i think a lot of mermaid settlements are located near reefs or volcanoes - reefs because it offers food and protection, volcanoes because it deters foes and they can use the materials. Ex. using volcanoes for blacksmithing and such (technically they don't get hot enough for smithing but mermaids aren't real either soo). credit to Moff for the volcano idea
-for drinks, i think that was a concept invented by humans and now routinely stolen from humans. they're under water so they don't really have anything driving them to drink, but it's a fun taste, and when they're sunning on beaches, a quick sip of something can help them stay hydrated and thus stay in the sun longer. silly idea maybe the only reason they lure ships in anymore is to ask them to toss some drinks down
-i need to think of the kingdom of Neralos itself more but bleghh... plot relevancy... i'm better at small useless details. I think Neralos is in some Unspecified Location in the Pacific or Indian Ocean. There's a small island there that has somehow avoided discovery with nice sandy and rocky beaches. The reef itself is very large, having been cultivated and nurtured by the mermaids that live in it (mermaid architecture and farming kind of go hand in hand). the castle itself i have very few ideas for, i just know that it's most likely mainly made of coral. definitely near a volcano, it's a kingdom after all so they need their own forge.

Edited at April 8, 2024 07:03 PM by Salt Shaker
The Problem With Paradise | DiscussionApril 8, 2024 04:29 PM


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Sir Froggington said:
Hahahahaha


what's so funny 👁👁
The Problem With Paradise | DiscussionApril 8, 2024 06:44 PM


Sir Froggington

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I was able to beat others lol to the discussion.
Also for clothing I think plants or leather makes sense, but also I figured sometimes they have scales/fish/dolphin type skin and don't need clothes, or would that be too weird? And maybe the more fish type mermaids can have the vertical tails and the horizontal ones are more mammal like and human like. Also I think personally when I do mermaids the nose is so they can breathe above water and the gills is for under water (I don't actually know if it makes sense scientifically it's just how I do it for Pandora) I like that about the dolphins.
I was looking at stuff that has been used as currency and maybe cowrie shells, teeth (shark), or salt
The Problem With Paradise | DiscussionApril 8, 2024 07:13 PM


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Sir Froggington said:

I do think the No Clothes thing is also definitely an option, since they're underwater i don't think there's much motivating them to get dressed since it's only covering the upper portion of their bodies anyways. maybe it's just an aesthetics thing to make their human half as flashy as their fish half
I think that nose idea is good, it doesn't have too make too much scientific sense anyways because they are fantasy creatures at the end of the day. they could have a small set of lungs that is only used when above the surface and they have to focus on manually breathing when using them. the lungs don't need to take in much oxygen anyways since mermaids only come up to shore to sun themselves, so they shouldn't be too active.
shark teeth is a SPLENDID idea i was wondering how sharks might be tied into this world. also cowrie shells since it would help limit currency to only one specific shell species.
The Problem With Paradise | DiscussionApril 8, 2024 08:27 PM


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(I'll probably edit this as not to spam but I love world building, I'm just exhuasted right now lol)
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I was kind of thinking that for clothing, there would be stages. Like the upper class/government would usually wear some sort of garment, whether it be actual clothes or just like a necklace or something to 'prove' their upper class? I'm not sure how 'rich' the upper class is supposed to be and if they look down at the other classes (in other words is it THAT kind of RP? I'm fine either way lol) But the lower you get in class, the less clothing they may have? It's kind of like in older times where purple is regarded as rich/royalty because getting the dye was so rare (At least I think that's accurate) I also love the 'two types of mermaid' kind of trope, that's so cool *^* And if you still need an idea for currency, it could be like some sort of rare scales. Like I mean, if mermaids are real, what's to say the Leviathan isn't/wasn't real and after being conquered they harvested its scales? or maybe it's scales were used to melt down into armor for the guards? Or maybe it never was real and is just a fairytale. Also, isn't there a toxin in pufferfish that makes sea creatures high? That would replace drinking/alcohol lol (I know nothing about sea creatures)
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Anyways, might edit this. I'm not trying to world build for you, just obessed with the idea of it <3
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EDIT 1: Also Talon is open for affiliations! He's a goofy silly lad
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EDIT 2: ALSO SAND DOLLARS THEY'RE LITERAL DOLLARS (I <3 being corny)

Edited at April 8, 2024 09:12 PM by ScardeyKat
The Problem With Paradise | DiscussionApril 8, 2024 09:04 PM


Sir Froggington

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Oooh I do like the idea of them wearing jewelery as a sign of status. Who doesn't love shiny colorful hard stuff?
The Problem With Paradise | DiscussionApril 8, 2024 09:18 PM


ScardeyKat

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Yesss I was lowkey thinking like BIG shiny, like decked the heck out with shiny. I wish I had an example. Drip or drown baby
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Talon probably wouldn't be dripped out, but really just plain. He does his best to blend in, plus he hates where he's at lol

Sir Froggington said:
Oooh I do like the idea of them wearing jewelery as a sign of status. Who doesn't love shiny colorful hard stuff?


The Problem With Paradise | DiscussionApril 8, 2024 09:23 PM


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I'm just finishing up the monarch, so maybe I'll give him tons of jewelry :) Also, anyone have any thoughts on tattoos? I was thinking of giving him one, but I'm wondering if y'all imagine that would be more lower-class.


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