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 Moonfall
05:45:08 Many moons, one me
Personally, I think an AI will be helpful and help further our understanding of science and medicine.
HOWEVER, what we currently call AI is terrible and I believe we should scrap it until we know how to put in guidelines so we can minimize or completely stop all the harmful side effects. And maybe put a ban on generative AI until people learn that 10 times out of 10, handmade is better and has more soul. Even if it's the worst stick figure ever
 Cloudy bird
05:44:56 
Petri Dish
YIKES, that sounds painful. Wishing speedy recovery for you :(
 Eye of Eternity
05:44:48 tern | they/he
cloudy
yeah its also really scary how easily it can be tricked into telling someone to take harmful actions against themselves or others
 EvergreenHills
05:44:34 Juicy Arm Boy
Flying
Awh that sucks :/

Welcome back <3
 TheFlyingKitten
05:43:57 Petri Dish/ENA Mum
I'm back! Could only eat half of my dinner thanks to my broken tooth, lol.
 Kitties
05:43:51 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
Here's where y'all are getting confused. Generative AI creates new things, which is why we see hallucinations. Non generative AI doesn't create new things it only analyzes what it's given. That's why generative AI is bad, but non generative AI is almost essential.
 EvergreenHills
05:43:48 Juicy Arm Boy
Can we stop talking about ai :/
 Cloudy bird
05:43:23 
(soz, the website i am referring to is 'this-person-does-not-exist' website
 Cloudy bird
05:42:50 
Ah back in the days before generative AI images, I would use the random generators. Or the -Click- website, when I needed inspiration
 SouthernScorpion
05:41:19 Scorpion
Ai has also been researched and proven to stalemate your creativity. artists that use AI are mentally affect by AI, very badly whether they realize it or not, it has sadly been proven to kill creativity
 Cloudy bird
05:41:07 
tern
Yep, it also encourages "dual psychosis": when perosn solely uses AI for therapeutic reasons, eventually AI was known to encourage the person's delusions or feed into it. Not out of maliciousnes -> but cause it just reflects the feelings. ChatGPT is one of the notorious models to do this
 Kitties
05:40:32 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
@Eye of eternity
ChatGPT is generative, I don't like generative models as yes they do hallucinate. Other forms of AI don't though.
 Eye of Eternity
05:40:09 tern | they/he
owlstar
dont use it for that. ai for art is never acceptable. trust me, you can find good free linearts, poses, photographs, sketches, whatever you want to reference made by a real person
same for backgrounds- or just make them yourself
 SouthernScorpion
05:39:44 Scorpion
Oh! someone just gave me a apple gift <3 thank you unknown
 Kitties
05:39:43 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
Guys that's generative AI. There's
Non generative AIs that help us analyze things. It's easily researchable. AI is a broad term that encompasses Machine learning, Neural networks, Deep learning, and AI. I work with neural networks all the time for experiments on how things affect the brain while alive. As of right now the only way to do that is via neural networks which are copies of the human brain.
 SouthernScorpion
05:38:18 Scorpion
when i said medical field, i meant in actual medical work (it can be used carefully to detect early cancer) but should always be checked by a human. using AI for art or research is not only theft, it's bad for the environment and it's bad for the creative using it
 Cloudy bird
05:37:46 
(also to add AI is useful in recognising images of cancer in xrays or other such scans... however an alternative is trained pigeons and I like that alternative much more :3 )
 Eye of Eternity
05:37:30 tern | they/he
kit
it also hallucinates a lot. i believe 38%? of the newest chatgpt model's answers are entirely hallucinated
 Apothecary
05:37:27 Medicinally Autistic
Exactly, it pulls ALL statistics, even ones that aren't necessarily true or correct.
 Kitties
05:36:14 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
AI is used to analyze statistics in pretty much all areas of research. Pretty much all predictions we make and patterns we discover are assisted by AI. AI isn't just the stuff you find on the internet.

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 Moonfall
05:45:08 Many moons, one me
Personally, I think an AI will be helpful and help further our understanding of science and medicine.
HOWEVER, what we currently call AI is terrible and I believe we should scrap it until we know how to put in guidelines so we can minimize or completely stop all the harmful side effects. And maybe put a ban on generative AI until people learn that 10 times out of 10, handmade is better and has more soul. Even if it's the worst stick figure ever
 Cloudy bird
05:44:56 
Petri Dish
YIKES, that sounds painful. Wishing speedy recovery for you :(
 Eye of Eternity
05:44:48 tern | they/he
cloudy
yeah its also really scary how easily it can be tricked into telling someone to take harmful actions against themselves or others
 EvergreenHills
05:44:34 Juicy Arm Boy
Flying
Awh that sucks :/

Welcome back <3
 TheFlyingKitten
05:43:57 Petri Dish/ENA Mum
I'm back! Could only eat half of my dinner thanks to my broken tooth, lol.
 Kitties
05:43:51 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
Here's where y'all are getting confused. Generative AI creates new things, which is why we see hallucinations. Non generative AI doesn't create new things it only analyzes what it's given. That's why generative AI is bad, but non generative AI is almost essential.
 EvergreenHills
05:43:48 Juicy Arm Boy
Can we stop talking about ai :/
 Cloudy bird
05:43:23 
(soz, the website i am referring to is 'this-person-does-not-exist' website
 Cloudy bird
05:42:50 
Ah back in the days before generative AI images, I would use the random generators. Or the -Click- website, when I needed inspiration
 SouthernScorpion
05:41:19 Scorpion
Ai has also been researched and proven to stalemate your creativity. artists that use AI are mentally affect by AI, very badly whether they realize it or not, it has sadly been proven to kill creativity
 Cloudy bird
05:41:07 
tern
Yep, it also encourages "dual psychosis": when perosn solely uses AI for therapeutic reasons, eventually AI was known to encourage the person's delusions or feed into it. Not out of maliciousnes -> but cause it just reflects the feelings. ChatGPT is one of the notorious models to do this
 Kitties
05:40:32 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
@Eye of eternity
ChatGPT is generative, I don't like generative models as yes they do hallucinate. Other forms of AI don't though.
 Eye of Eternity
05:40:09 tern | they/he
owlstar
dont use it for that. ai for art is never acceptable. trust me, you can find good free linearts, poses, photographs, sketches, whatever you want to reference made by a real person
same for backgrounds- or just make them yourself
 SouthernScorpion
05:39:44 Scorpion
Oh! someone just gave me a apple gift <3 thank you unknown
 Kitties
05:39:43 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
Guys that's generative AI. There's
Non generative AIs that help us analyze things. It's easily researchable. AI is a broad term that encompasses Machine learning, Neural networks, Deep learning, and AI. I work with neural networks all the time for experiments on how things affect the brain while alive. As of right now the only way to do that is via neural networks which are copies of the human brain.
 SouthernScorpion
05:38:18 Scorpion
when i said medical field, i meant in actual medical work (it can be used carefully to detect early cancer) but should always be checked by a human. using AI for art or research is not only theft, it's bad for the environment and it's bad for the creative using it
 Cloudy bird
05:37:46 
(also to add AI is useful in recognising images of cancer in xrays or other such scans... however an alternative is trained pigeons and I like that alternative much more :3 )
 Eye of Eternity
05:37:30 tern | they/he
kit
it also hallucinates a lot. i believe 38%? of the newest chatgpt model's answers are entirely hallucinated
 Apothecary
05:37:27 Medicinally Autistic
Exactly, it pulls ALL statistics, even ones that aren't necessarily true or correct.
 Kitties
05:36:14 Kit/Kitty/kitten/K
AI is used to analyze statistics in pretty much all areas of research. Pretty much all predictions we make and patterns we discover are assisted by AI. AI isn't just the stuff you find on the internet.




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Birth Defects GuideMarch 14, 2017 07:09 PM


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Birth defects can be attained randomly through breeding. Pups whose parents have a birth defect have a higher chance of getting the defect.

Penalty Defects
Type Penalty:
Deaf 50 Perception
Hip Dysplasia
100 Battle
150 Agility
Anosmia
120 Perception
50 Stealth
Runt 100 Battle
Hydrocephalus
100 Empathy
150 Wisdom
50 Agility
100 Spirituality
Blind
120 Perception
120 Battle
Dwarfism
50 Battle
50 Agility
Hyposmia 100 Perception
Cerebellar Hypoplasia
150 Dominance
100 Stealth
150 Battle
150 Agility
Club Foot
50 Agility
20 Battle
Spina Bifida
150 Agility
150 Battle
Brachycephalic
150 Battle
50 Stealth
High Metabolism Hungers twice as fast
Antebrachial Growth Deformity
100 Battle
100 Agility

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Picture Difference Defects
Type Description
Albino changes pictures to plain white wolf with pink nose and pink eyes
Melanism changes picture to black wolf
Erythrism Changes picture to a brown/copper wolf with black paws
Leucism Changes picture to a pale coloured wolf
Vitiligo As wolf ages, spots will appear on their pelts, with 4 variations.
Chimera Wolf has a split colour difference across its body, with 10 variations.
Amelanism Changes picture to a significantly light pink/red.
Black Phase Wolf gradually turns from black to white over time.
Fallow Has a dark and light version. Makes your wolf have a fawn-like coat.
Axanthic turns a wolf greyscale.
Dyschromia Dark spots appear on the wolf as it ages.

~*~

No Known Effects
Types:
Heart Murmur Extra Vertebrae
Entropion Crooked Tail
Extra Kidneys Bald
Cleft Palate Extra Toes

Original credits to Silver Souls for this guide

***NOTE: These are NOT equivalent to boosts! Boosts have their own guide, found here: https://wolfplaygame.com/forums.php?f=29&t=102


Edited at March 1, 2026 03:38 PM by Kháos
Birth Defects GuideJuly 30, 2017 07:58 PM


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Aven said:
CP Penalty-
Deaf- 50 CP penalty in Perception
Hip Dysplasia- 100 CP penalty in battle, 150 CP penalty in agility
Anosmia-120 CP penalty in Perception. 50 CP penalty in Stealth.
Runt- 100 CP penalty in battle
Hydrocephalus-100 CP penalty in Empathy, 150 CP penalty in Wisdom, 50 CP penalty in Agility, 100 CP penalty in Spirituality.
Blind- 120 CP penalty in Perception, 120 CP penalty in battle
Dwarfism- 50 CP penalty in battle. 50 CP penalty in Agility
Hyposmia- 100CP penalty in Perception
Cerebellar Hypoplasia-150 CP penalty in Dominance. 100 CP penalty in Stealth. 150 CP penalty in Battle. 150 CP penalty in Agility.
Club Foot-50 CP penalty in Agility. 20 CP penalty in battle.
Spina Bifida-150 CP penalty in Agility. 150 CP penalty in Battle.

Picture Difference-

Albino-Changes the picture to a plain white wolf with a pink nose and pink eyes
Melanism-Changes the picture to a pitch black wolf.
Vitiligo- As the wolf ages, spots will show on their pelts.
Erythrism- Changes the picture to a brownish-copper wolf with black paws.
Leucism- Changes the picture to a pale coloured wolf.

No Known Effect-

Heart Murmur
Extra Vertebrae
Entropion
Crooked Tail
Extra Kidneys
Bald
Cleft Palate
Extra Toes

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<div align="center">Original credits to Silver Souls for this guide

Thank you so much Aven
Birth Defects GuideAugust 15, 2017 07:55 AM


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This was really helpful! However, I have a question. How do you get birth defects? Is it that you just keep breeding until one's born, or is there something else to it?
Birth Defects GuideAugust 20, 2017 04:15 PM


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AspenFangs said:
This was really helpful! However, I have a question. How do you get birth defects? Is it that you just keep breeding until one's born, or is there something else to it?

Breeding is the only way. You'll get them by random luck
Birth Defects GuideFebruary 13, 2018 07:04 PM


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I'm confused is it CP from both parents combined
Birth Defects GuideFebruary 13, 2018 07:05 PM


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Wolves Of Wisdom said:
I'm confused is it CP from both parents combined

No. These affect the maximum CP a wolf can have in a certain attribute.
Birth Defects GuideMarch 7, 2018 05:45 PM


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I have an idea for some new birth defects:

Splayed paw
Missing tail
One eye


Birth Defects GuideMarch 7, 2018 11:16 PM


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i have 2 wolf pups named moonshiver & darkcloud with Hip Dysplasia & i thought it was bad luck til i saw this :l
Birth Defects GuideMarch 29, 2018 08:18 PM


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Bramble Warriors said:
I have an idea for some new birth defects:

Splayed paw
Missing tail
One eye




Sounds exactly like the defects of the main characters in the book series, Wolves of the Beyond.
XD

But those are great ideas.
Birth Defects GuideMarch 29, 2018 08:35 PM


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I believe you get a higher chance for getting a birth defect is that one of the parents (for me usually the mother) has one. I have a wolf with double kidneys and many of her pups had that. (Almost one in every liter!)

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